( The origin of this discussion was an announcement on the USACA Web Site that the USACA, although receiving "last-minute notification" of the Global Symposium to be held in Orlando(Disney World) in October 2001, had decided to participate in the event and was also announcing its own National Junior Development Program. Most of these comments appeared on the USACA Bulletin Board.)

--(Statement) How can Atul Rai claim that the USACA only had last "minute notice" of the Global Cricket Symposium and U13 tournament? The organisers have been planning this for over a year, and have been in communication with the USACA long before that, trying to do something to develop American cricket. I wish that the USACA administrators would STOP playing politics and do something POSITIVE for American cricket.
--(Comment) The open secret here is that USJC was indeed developing the symposium and program for Orlando, but USACA executives were so intent on discrediting USJC that CCAM stepped in and took over the program. This happened late enough that the USACA couldn't block the program without alienating every other cricket association in the Americas, so it made the excuse about last-minute notification as a face-saving gesture.

--(Statement) ..USJC current and former members were part of the USACA admin... How come they didn't have a USACA national junior program? Why they had to create a separate youth program? Why wasn't the youth program (usjc) a part of the national body (usaca)? How many cricketing nations have a separate development program from the national program?
--(reply:1)Despite the change in administration two years ago, the politicial dysfunctionality was so entrenched within the USACA that certain members of the USACA executive felt they had to work outside of the USACA to actually achieve something (which they seem to have done).
Also, with the threat of lawsuits against the USACA and ICC by certain organisations, the organisers felt they wouldn't be able to atract sponsorship via the USACA but would via the USJC, because it was completely independent.
--(Reply: 2) The USJC was to be the USACA national junior program. Unfortunately the USACA administration doesn't seem to have been interested - until now. The USJC repeatedly applied for affiliation with the USACA without success.
-- (Reply: 3) US Junior Cricket applied for affiliation with the USACA many, many months ago. This symposium was scheduled even before then. The USACA sent a list of conditions to USJC which they said must be met before affiliation is approved. USJC agreed to all of the conditions but then, surprisingly, the USACA declined the affiliation application. The most stupid part of this whole thing was that Directors who were on the USACA committee which drafted the list of conditions then voted against the application!

--(Question) [Were] Kamran Khan and Mike Miller members of the USACA while in office, or [were] they there to use USACA resources to fund USJC?
--(Reply)The USJC was proposed to be a junior arm of the USACA by the then President of the USACA, so naturally it would be funded and developed from the resources of the USACA.
Regardless, Mr Miller and Mr Khan did represent USACA interests. You can read some of the emails they wrote while in office on USA-cricinfo. For instance Mr Miller produced the first audit of the USACA accounts in 7 years.

--(Question): I would like to know which other cricket nation has an independent junior program?
----(Reply) [I] Don't know. Don't see that it is particularly relevant either. All countries have different ways of administering the game. Of course, if the USACA had affiliated the USJC earlier this year, we wouldn't have to debate this point, would we?

--(Question) Also, what about all the other junior programs in the country? Why only USJC?
-- (Reply) The other programs are small steps in the right direction. The USJC was conceived as a national body, wheras the others are regional bodies. So it is appropriate that the USJC become the supervising body of the regional programs.

(Statement) I am please[d] that the USACA Directors took note of their actions and got rid of [Kamran Khan and Miller]. It was very clear that their intent was to destroy the USACA before leaving office.
-- (Reply) It seems to me that the current administration is bent on destroying the USACA as well. So all that's happened is you have gone from the frying pan into the fire.

USACA Regional Directors and their Responsibilities

(This discussion of USACA Regional Directors and their responsibilities to their clubs and leagues, grew out of an initial posting in the USACA Bulletin Board, which is reproduced below. The discussion then moved on to aspects of Regional USAC representatives in general, and what Regions can expect or should do about them.)

--(Statement) I would like everyone's opinion-- including anyone from the USACA Executive-- about what should be done in the following situation.
There is a USACA Regional Director who seems to have disappeared without a trace since he was elected to the post. All attempts by officers of clubs and leagues in his region to contact him recently appear to have been unsuccessful. There are even rumors that he may be outside the USA at this time.
Meanwhile, several matters which the USACA delegated to Regional Directors to work with the Leagues have come and gone. For instance, when nominations were requested from Regional Directors for the U-19 team selections, this Director did not contact any of the leagues in his region, or even the member clubs directly-- consequently, no nominations were made to USACA from the region! This is just one example-- basically, the Regional Director is just not doing what he is supposed to do, for the USACA AND for his region.
So what recourse is there? I would like to know. The problem has become an unconscionable one. There must be some reasonable ways to deal with this situation. Any suggestions?

--(Reply 1) Knowing USACA here are a few different scenarios that can happen.
1. If the "Missing" Director is a "Friend" of the Executive:
The Executive will tell you that there is NOTHING in the Constitution that forces them to replace this Regional Director.
2. If the "Missing" Director is an "Enemy" of the Executive:
The Executive will swiftly show us something in the Constitution that says they can "NOMINATE" someone else to serve out the term.
And guess who this new person would be?
3. If the Region can be manipulated
The Executive will ensure an election is held, hold a "SECRET" ballot, reject all the "trouble makers", and put someone there that will "Listen" to their bidding.

--(Reply 2) Regional Directors can be recalled. All you need is votes of 50% of the clubs in the region to to do so.

--(Question)... But when (say) a Regional Director is recalled by 50%+ clubs in his Region, do the recallers also get to name or elect a replacement Regional Director? Or do the rules of USACA say that the Board of Directors get to name the replacement-- or is it the Executive?
I am sure you can see the point of my question--
If a Regional Director has been in office, regardless of competence, because (say) those controlling the BOD or Executive wanted him there; if he IS recalled, what safeguards are there to prevent the controllers from appointing a replacement clone? I am unsure of the Constitutional procedures.
--(Reply) According to the Constitution dated Monday, October 06. 1997:
ARTICLE 5 REGIONAL DIRECTORS
RECALL OF REGIONAL DIRECTORS
5.13 In the event of misconduct, malfeasance, failure to execute duties to other action not befitting the position of Regional director, member clubs of the region may recall the regional director. The notice of recall shall be made in writing to the secretary of the Association and shall be signed by at least 50% of the member clubs within the region.
( Added comment) Perhaps the re-election process could incorporate some of the following suggestions:
1. The publishing of a list of nominees for the directors position on the USACA annoucements section, and on uscricket.com and usa-cricinfo
2. The publishing of a list of clubs eligible to vote in the area, and the date of the election in the same areas
3. The election results also be posted on the web
4. All nominees should include a brief bio
5. Rather than adhering to strict USACA procedural requirements, an injection of openness, transparency and democratic principals might be greatly appreciated

-- (Several posts then identify the "missing" Regional Director as being from the USACA Northwest Region., and ask if their guesses are correct.)

--(Reply) The rumor IS true, unfortunately....
Now, the interesting question is-- did the USACA executive know about this? ... If the USACA Executive did know, why did they not do something-- by asking the NW clubs and leagues to come up with another candidate? Especially since they were asking so many things of the Regional Directors since that time? I wonder.
[ Comment]: The problems for the Northwest Region of the USACA may be larger than the matter of replacing an absconding Regional Director.
Look what happened when the USACA was naming regional coordinators for its Junior Development Program.
From nowhere at all, the name of a [Mr. X] of San Francisco appeared as the coordinator for the Northwest Region. Since no one connected with junior programs anywhere in the Northwest had heard of him, there was considerable confusion about this. ---None of the leagues in the Northwest had been contacted by the USACA regarding this appointment ...
Worse was to follow. Responding to the request by USACA to its regional coordinators name U-13 players from their areas, [Mr. X] supplied the names of persons who had already been identified for the USA Invitational XI.... Again, he did not contact any of the NW leagues...
...The real point here is that the idea that USACA's Regional officers and Directors are supposed to be representing the clubs and leagues in their own regions has been clearly violated--both by how [Mr.X] was appointed, and how he exercised his responsibility. As long as this state of affairs is allowed to continue, there is little hope that the Northwest Region will find itself effectively represented in the USACA. And THAT is the problem that the Northwest Region of the USACA needs to deal with.

USACA'S New Junior Development Program and National Committee

(The discussion concerns the recent announcement by the USACA ( see USACA Web Site ) of a National Junior Cricket Development program, and, especially, the naming of a national Committee representing USACA's various regions to coordinate it. ALL the substantive comments we found on Bulletin boards on this "hot topic" appear to have been negative-- this was not because of any selection bias on our part.)

--(Statement) Here we have USACA launching this Program and naming Regional Program Directors. I don't know about the rest of the regions, but I have never heard of a [Mr. X] in Northern California doing anything with the Juniors. If the rest of the Regional Program Directors are "HAND PICKED" by the current Executive, then we all know where this Program is headed.
-- (Comment) The idea is ... to replace persons in the present committee with people who have proven track records in planning and executing Junior Cricket programs. [There are] many suggested names of people nationally recognized for working in Junior cricket. There are .. more than enough to replace those without junior cricket credentials on this Committee. That's what needs to happen.

-- (Comment) Either ...the USACA Executive knew about him when they appointed [Mr.Y as the person in charge of the program], in which case they are scoundrels-- or they didn't check him out, in which case they are fools. Either way, the USACA Junior Development Program is in very deep trouble with [Mr.Y] at the helm, even before it has started.
I strongly suggest that the USACA executive find a face-saving way to have [Mr. Y] move aside and let someone of known background and experience in junior cricket take over the leadership of the program.

-- (Comment) (The USACA Junior Development Program] is in deep trouble. There has been no thought given to how this would work and, as pointed out elsewhere, they've refused to include the people in the country who are most knowledgable about Junior cricket development. This was a knee jerk reaction because the USACA was being embarrassed by US Junior Cricket.

-- (Statement) [USACA] [has] decided to have an "official" team in the U13 tournament in Orlando. Great! Let's see - how much U13 depth do we have in this country? All of the best U13 players in the country have already been selected for the USJC/MLC/Cricket Academy team. And USACA has a month to put this all together!!! So, the "official" USACA U13 will be a bunch of kids who will most likely be severly embarrassed in Orlando, possibly even to the point of giving up on the game. Talk about doing more harm than good!

-- (Comment) And then, after fighting tooth and nail for months to prevent US Junior Cricket from holding the tournament/symposium, once a body that they can't fight decides to take it over from USJC, they decide to act like they're really a part of this all along. To quote: "Furthermore, USACA is scheduled to meet with the West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) on September 23, 2001 to workout the details of the upcoming symposium, ..." God, talk about bare-faced hypocrisy! US Junior Cricket applied to the USACA for permission to hold this event, met EVERY SINGLE condition AS SET BY THE USACA (which I suppose the USACA didn't expect them to do), and then USACA says, "well, no, you can't have the tournament".
How long do we have to put up with this nonsense from [the USACA Executive] and their cronies?

--(Statement)--I for one still want to see this program do well, but sometime last year, didn't USJC "Officially" ask for the USACA Board of Directors to bless it as its Junior Cricket program? There are a number of finger pointing from both sides, but the fact of the matter is that USACA rejected the idea. Now I hear rumors that USACA is trying to make sure the USJC's team doesn't participate in the Tournament. What are we trying to do? Encourage Cricket at the "Grass Roots" level or are we going to continue fighting among ourselves?
I have always advocated that any new Executive needs to be given a chance before we criticize them. I continue to maintain that, but when one sees it is business as usual, then one starts to wonder how long to keep one's frustrations in check.

--(Reply) So far as I can tell, there has been no real response from the USACA Executive.
Let me see, so far the suggestions have been to (1) Change the leadership of the Junior Development Program (2) Re-vamp the Committee, replacing less qualified members (in junior cricket) with more-qualified ones (3) Work WITH, not against, all the folks who have brought the U-13s across the country to its present advanced stage (4) Develop lines of cooperation and communication with USJC instead of always rejecting them as has happened in the past.
So far as I can tell, the USACA has not made a single move along the lines (1) to (4). All I have seen so far are promises that something major and exciting (I believe the word used was "surprising") will be presented by USACA at the Global Symposium.
Suppose this happens to be true and we all get surprised at Tampa. I would still hold out for progress along the lines (1) though (4). Without REAL progress on those lines, It will really be Disneyworld.

--(Statement)--I am an Aussie with an interest in Junior cricket. Sounds like your two organisations should stop the in fighting and get on with the important tasks. Stop thinking like adults for the junior players. think like the players and decide what is good for them, not you.

--(Statement)--For those who may not know this-- The USACA is naming some of the very same players that the USJC selected for its USA Invitational XI Team to Orlando, as the "official USA Team" for the event.
Needless to say, this is hardly the spirit of cooperation between USJC and USACA that most people have been advocating on this Bulletin Board. It also places many of the youngsters and parents of the US Invitational Team in the worst possible situation-- do they betray the (USJC) people who have sponsored and trained them by going along with this process, or do they stand by their mentors and trainers and risk the chance of not participating in an event that could be so important to their lives?
Shame on all the people who are playing with the lives of these kids. They do not belong in cricket.

-- (Reply 1) Well said. What a Shame indeed!!!! All I can think of is, poor kids.

--(Reply 2) A shame indeed, but much more than a shame. These are the actions of people who are so determined to control and maintain their power that they do not care who they are hurting, whose contributions to US cricket are being trampled on, and what this shows the world about US cricket politics. I had hoped for more from this USACA group, as my previous posts will indicate. Now there is little left for me to express any optimism over.

PROFESSIONAL CRICKET in the USA: The BIG PICTURE$$

(Whether to have professional cricket in the USA has been hotly debated for some time. This issue is connected to ICC requirments about residence and citizenship for representing one's country in the ICC Trophy; if these were relaxed, more cricketers could come into the US and earn their livelihoods playing cricket. The complexities of the issue led to an interesting series of bulletin-board postings, summarized below.)

== (Statement) The ICC needs to ESTABLISH A FAST TRACK DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM where players that are permanent residents of a country can represent their country...
The ICC … would be ... advised to assist the USACA to build an international cricket facility, and bring the top players and teams to play here annually.

==(Reply) Do you really think that Americans would flock to some newly built cricket stadium to see a USA team made up of newly arrived immigrants from a different country?...The reason baseball and basketball athletes earn so much money is because there are 50 million boys and girls in this country that participate in those sports every year. According to the USACA president, cricket in the US has a base of 10,000 players. 50 million vs 10,000 - see any difference there?
..Until the USACA actively reaches out to the American public at large there is no reason for [ICC] to throw money at developing cricket in the US. Relaxing the eligibility rules would simply take away cricket opportunities from second-generation immigrants, and give it to first-generation immigrants.

==(Objection) Cricket is an international sport and generates the majority of its income from Television Broadcast, not from attendance.

==(Reply) I'm sorry, but I think this is a pipe dream. The competition for broadcast time (especially sports broadcasting) is enormous. Why would national broadcasters or cable broadcasters pick up a cricket match unless they were convinced that they could sell enough advertising to make money?

== (Question) Let me get this straight. You think that the Test nations would come to the United States and play each other, and broadcast the games BACK to their individual countries? Why in the world would they want to do that???????

==(Reply) For exactly the same reason that Americans watch NFL games on TV that are played in Europe.

==(Objection) The NFL has not, to my knowledge, ever played an official game anywhere but in the United States. The reason they play a preseason game in Mexico or Japan or London is to market their NFL teams to an extended audience …

== (Reply) ...have you ever heard of Sharjah... they've been holding tournaments there for about 20 years and most of the crowd is immigrants... and how about the Sahara Cup (Pak. vs. Ind.) in Toronto... i didn't see many white faces in the crowd there... 90% of the crowd was South asian...

==(Comment) One reason why major test-cricketing countries might want to play cricket here, and broadcast back to their home countries, is that they may NOT be able to play each other in their home countries.
For example, the original Sahara Cup was set up to be played every year in Toronto, precisely because they could not (at the time) be staged safely in India, Pakistan or even England.
Another reason could be, the superior technology available in the USA for broadcasting sports events. FIFA found this out a few years ago, in staging the World Cup of soccer in the USA. The sheer quality of US-based sports technology may make it appealing as a video stage.
The real problem is: how much of the actual revenue made from such broadcasts will be available for US cricket development.I can see all the $$ being shipped to middlemen and sports racheteers overseas, and nothing left for US cricket.

==(Comment) You're on the right track but you're putting the cart before the horse. As a matter of fact, I believe Americans WOULD flock to their local stadia to see world-class (but definitely not local immigrant) cricket players IF you can present cricket in a way the average baseball-bred American would find exciting (and this can be done).
Local, grass-roots, interest would only come later. This is how the soccer boom began. There were no (or virtually no) Americans playing in the old North American Soccer League when it first started up. But after Americans realized how much fun the game could be the parks filled up with kids and soccer moms.

ON USACA CALLING an AGM in NOVEMBER, 2001

( Early in October 2001, a report appeared in the USACRICKET.COM Website, saying that there was to be an Annual General Meeting of the USACA in New York in November 2001. This was subsequently confirmed by the USACA in an official announcement on the USACA Web site. The last that been heard of any AGM was in July when the legality of the meeting had been questioned by a USACA League President [see Proposed AGM: Where are the Procedures?]. Here are edited portions of some of the comments produced by the AGM announcement.)

(Comment) USCricket.com reports that a USACA annual general body meeting is scheduled for November. Question....why even have this site(usaca) when announcements are made on USCricket.com first?

(Comment) To the Administrators of US cricket--

Lets hope for a Miracle!!!!!

Can the politicing Pakistanis, Indians and other South Asians, along with West Indian community, trying to run US cricket, put their racial/religious/personal differences aside and try to act as professional administrators and not like childish selfish go-getters, fighting for the levers of power, to the detriment of the games growth in the USA....

Are you up to the task???---

What are your serious goals between now and 2007? Are you going to put US cricket in the next 4/8 years in a position, where it has genuine prospects of qualifying for the World Cup?

With team selection at junior level, lets not have just Paki/Indian Americans in team...sure select the best players from those communities, but do try to players from the West Indian and other communities...dare I say it..perhaps even include the odd "white" or caucasian player... Members of all races/religions have been guilty of human rights abuses...lets be mature and embrace the whole American populace in promoting the game of cricket.

... Less grandstanding...more effort...at the local level too, this attitude should apply....but from the Top, they need Leadership that provides the appropriate example and a sense of direction for the game in the States. They need to be communicating with their membership openly....

Over to you, Administrators....we watch with interest, what transpires at next AGM.

(Reply:) I find the sentiments expressed in the post very commendable, but some assumptions need to be corrected.

With US cricket, it is often a case of "things are not what they seem". For example, it is assumed that most of the factions, divisions et cetera in US cricket are somehow ethnic, or cultural, or what have you. The truth is somewhat different.

The real split in US cricket is between persons who care for the development of cricket at grass roots levels in the USA, and those who see it as a means to pursue narrower objectives-- such as, making money, or/and attaining power positions within US cricket. There are a multitude of individuals and groups which fall into one or other of the above two categories. There are even hybrid factions which (sometimes uneasily, sometimes schizophrenically) fall somewhere in between.

Within these groups it is interesting to see how cultural/ethnic boundaries often dissolve in the interests of expediency. There are Indians and Pakistanis working happily together to promote their own ends; "Caucasians" and others who similarly find common causes; Caribbeans and South Asians who band together against "the Rest". All very ecumenical-- until one sees how self-serving some of these alliances can be.

What is really needed is a common purpose, and shared ideals-- not "fissiparous tendencies", an inelegant phrase coined in the 1970s to describe this kind of situation.

Recent events have proved how intractable these differences can be. It seems very difficult to find common ground in US cricket-- yet that is what really needs to be found if US cricket is to survive and flourish.

(Reply)... When you say there are no racial divides in USA cricket..I really wonder.... For example, in the junior team that was selected to represent the USA in the Carribean recently and performed poorly, how many "non"-Pakistanis or South Asians were selected??? About ZERO, I think!!!..

...while Asian supporters are undoubtedly very passionate about the game, and have many talented players in their region....cricket should not be solely the possession of those Asian or West Indian communities in the USA. The door should be open for others to participate....there are Australian, English, South Africans and New Zealanders living in the States too...

[Again,] why was ... Mike Miller sacked from the USA Cricket Board...was he...not political enough to organise some of his "white brothers" to vote for him, like some other ethnic groups..? ..For the first time in 7 years you had a person in the US cricket Administration who actually prepared some accounts/financial statements for the public to view....how dumb or narrow-minded or self-interested or corrupt can the USA cricket administrators be in dumping such a person? ...

...And finally, is the matter of Vish Lekram's appointment as Youth cricket administrator ... to be looked at [in the AGM]??? Is his character OK or do the allegations against him have some truth??

(Further Comment): In addition ... what efforts are being made to have Malcolm Nash and Clive Lloyd involved closely with US cricket administration, along with Mike Miller as mentioned? ... Such men of quality should be central to US cricket...will this happen, or will little-cricket emperors triumph to the detriment of US cricket's growth as a sport??? Malcolm Nash's past efforts with junior cricket in the schools on the west coast of the USA have successful. He loves and understands the game....he should not be igored or wasted.

(Further Comment):... Article 10.1 of the USACA Constitution clearly states that WRITTEN notice of (an) AGM should be given to the members AT LEAST 21 days prior to the meeting", and that the notice of the meeting "be accompanied by the AGENDA of the meeting, ANNUAL financial reports, MINUTES of the previous AGM, and ALL OTHER relevant reports." ... "21 days before the meeting" would mean BEFORE October 20....just over two weeks from today's date.

... In particular, since the "members" of USACA are member clubs, EACH club which is a member of USACA would expect to receive WRITTEN notice as provided by the USACA constitution, more than two weeks in advance of any meeting. (An announcement on a Web site does not legally qualify as a "written notice" since it is a general announcement, not something that is specifically addressed to members.)

..In this case, the "previous AGM" would refer to the extraordinary AGM called by then-president Kamran Khan. The only financial report that is known to be available and valid is Mike Miller's report through December 2000. That means there are ten months of financial activity that have now to be audited, published and sent out to member clubs in th next two weeks. There are obviously several other relevant reports that need to be published and sent out, depending upon the agenda. Obviously, there has to be an agenda.

I hope ... USACA clubs and leagues will exercise due vigilance in making sure these requirements are complied with-- and, if the AGM is held without these requirements being met, to take the necessary legal action to make sure that the AGM is declared invalid-- and the USACA officers, if any, who are responsible for trying to sidestep the regulations are held accountable for any misdeeds.

(Further Comment): Look, isnt the USA Cricket team a pale imitation of Guyana....Blacks and Indians or other South Asians playing together or fighting each other....cricket will never be more than an expatriate game there until these petty minded fools really embrace the country they are living in, and involve non-expatriate Americans within the administration and playing of the game.

If cricket is ever to become more than a minor sport in the States, you "kids" will need to grow up, give up the useless sniping and silly political power play games, and act as responsible managers of the game. In fact, if you could give up your silly pettiness, you'd probably consider some assistance or guidance in running the game from countries with runs on the board....i.e Australia or South Africa or perhaps England... Learn from the real professionals, and closer to home, have acloser look at the Canadians....Grow up or give up your silly illusions....embrace people like Malcolm Nash and Mike Miller or Lak from San Francisco if you have any sense.

Has that stirred the pot..?it needs a lot of stirring...what are USA's goals between now and 2007....have you got a hope of qualifying in 2007 or beyong for the World Cup....sure, keep recruiting expats to be involved in the game....but really try to lift the player number several fold...get American teachers, etc involved,.....just give up the monkey business and start fulfilling your responsibilities. Like many interested observers, national and international, we watch with interest, the upcoming Annual General Meeting as a guide of whether US cricket is up to the mark!!!!

(Comment): While I might disagree with a few details in [the previous] post, almost everything he says is right on the mark.

As has been pointed out before, there have been at least a dozen suggestions made here on how the USACA Executive could clean up its act.

And what has been the response so far?

Let me see-- a few posts by apologists, attacking those who have dared to criticise the USACA. Some off-the-wall announcements...

Other than that-- complete silence, on or off the Bulletin Board. It is as if top management in the USACA is so totally engrossed in its own thoughts that it can't even bother to deal with any real issues-- all it seems to be able to do is to impugn the motives of those who contribute anything meaningful to US cricket.

We are told that the USACA will meet with the WICB next week to discuss the future of US cricket. Wonderful. I hope that 1% of all the constructive suggestions made here and in other forums will at least be discussed at such a meeting. Do I think that will happen? Are you kidding?

And of course there is this AGM in November. Does anyone remember what happened at the last AGM? Well, then-USACA President Kamran Khan came forward with a detailed agenda-- and the AGM spent so much time with internal politics that NOT A SINGLE AGENDA ISSUE was even discussed, let alone acted upon. And now we are expecting the same people who derailed that process last year and are now in charge of the organization, to transform themselves into an enlightened leadership for US cricket? Please don't make me laugh.

I wish I could name a single person currently not at odds with the USACA who could provide a semblance of reasoned leadership to US cricket as a whole. I cannot. That alone should say something-- to anyone who is listening.

(Comment): In the USA we have freedom of choice. The majority rules. The days of slavery [are]over. No more white masters.

If people like you and the ICC can't stand the "coloured" [people] running cricket in the USA, too bad.

What happened to those well managed teams in the days of Clive LLoyd and Sir Viv? The coloureds kicked their asses.

USACA executives, forget about the ICC and manage your own affairs. We got the money they need. And they are a bunch of racists, anyway, just like he idiot who made this post.

(Reply to Comment): Are you serious?? You think that what is going on in the USACA has ANTHING whatsoever to do with democracy-- rather than with a bunch of unimaginative, power-hungry egotists playing games with the future of US cricket?...

...If you ... want to defend all that is being done by the "democracy" of us "coloureds" you so fondly describe in your stupid post, defend it by argument, by logic. Show us what your answers are to all the charges of inaction, venality and double-dealing that have been specifically laid at USACA's door. Don't do it by calling other people names-- you only show up the poverty of your own intellects.

(The discussion shifted into whether the AGM would be "illegal" even if it was held, because all the requirements had not been complied with. --DKD.)

(Comment): If I am given a day's notice I would be more than happy to attend the AGM because I have several questions to ask the Executives. Making the AGM illegal would not do any good since the USACA never had one. (This is factually incorrect, since an AGM was held in 2000 as called by Kamran Khan, USACA's ex-President. --DKD.)

It is time to move forward.

( Reply): Of course, you are free to go anywhere and do anything you wish-- this is a free country.

But I do not understand why you would be so willing and eager to go somewhere "at a day's notice" just to ask "some questions" of the USACA Executive, when the same questions could be asked by e-mail, or even on this Bulletin Board. ....